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Morality Visited

3.23.05
I am starting this page as a place to hash out this whole morality thing. This is only a start of a developing document for me to work out my thoughts. Please leave comments and I will incorporate them into the document. Maybe we can get a discussion going. –Montag

What is morality? What is the nature of morality? I am not sure how to phrase the question. I would seem a useful area to delve into on this site for the reason that this site has become almost entirely propaganda. We (at least I) have been dealing with the politics perhaps too much; which wasn’t really intended to be the exclusive function of this so-called “blog”. Perhaps things will change, but I seem to get angered at least once a day about what our leaders are doing seemingly with impunity. Most of my disgust with their actions is that I see their actions as immoral.

Now I’ve heard, and I actually believe that morality has an important place in politics, or at least in informing us on what we should be doing as a civil society in terms of governance, and how we conduct ourselves in the world. I’m not convinced that our leaders are governed by any sort of moral compass. Even the leaders who start out as idealists, if they are able to rise to any advanced level of power, they succumb to the allure of power itself and answer to it even sometimes above morality. They may rationalize it by saying “How can I effect the changes that my morality dictates if I don’t have any power?” Eventually the pursuit of power becomes all-consuming and nothing ends up getting done in the way of ethical governance. (This is an aspect of the ‘Great Machine’ I like to refer to, that has developed by design; where the political apparatus has been flooded with money and corrupted the power-seekers. I digress.)

For us on the outside (of politics) looking in, our morality informs us more about what is going on in terms of how we interpret our leader’s actions, and how we conduct ourselves in terms of political activism, or simply how we decide to vote. There was great to-do after the last election about the (questionable) poll results that indicated that a lot of people listed “moral issues” as their impetus in voting. I don’t disagree with that finding, just the way in which it was framed: that one side’s issues were more moral than the other side’s and that is how they “won.” They are all moral issues. That is, all of our actions as a civil society have moral implications, such as using military or police might, using the force of law to govern, or even in negotiation, diplomacy and aid with others in the world.

This is why it might be useful to delve into and discuss morality as a subject.

IS MORALITY OBJECTIVE OR SUBJECTIVE?
My own sense of morality has changed lately, and it was kind of earth shattering and unsettling. I had always had an intuitive sense that morality is absolute; or if not absolute, at least objective. That is, that there was some sort of universal moral code embedded in every person, and that with a little reflection, anybody would instinctively know whether an action, or lack of action, or mode of thought, or use of power through action, words or thought control, etc. was moral or not; a sort of embedded knowledge of the true nature of good and bad, or right and wrong or whatever. I have come to think differently, and this shift in thought has been, as I said, unsettling.

I was thinking one day about morality and politics and power and why people do the things that they do even when the things seem totally abhorrent to my sense of right and wrong. I figured there was something more to this “morality” than I had fully considered. I tried to attack the problem with logic. I have to use my intuitive sense of logic as I lack the intellectual training of advanced college study, so bear with me if I’m not so logical. In fact, tell me where I fail the logic test.

First, as a humanist, I reject the idea that morality comes from any kind of higher power, which is a chink in the armor of my prior notion of an objective morality. Even allowing that there might be a higher power out there, I still hold a firm conviction that we possess free will; and free will certainly does not preclude a subjective morality. Furthermore, if there is no free will, then it is pointless to discuss morality, as we aren’t culpable for our actions if we do not truly have a choice. I would further suggest that a higher power (God) can be removed from the discussion of the nature of morality based on Bertrand Russell’s argument in his essay Why I am Not a Christian. I am going to butcher the quote for concision (click the link to read it in context):

..[N]atural laws are a description of how things do in fact behave.. [therefore] ..you cannot argue that there must be somebody who told them to do that, because.. ..”Why did God issue just those natural laws and no others?” If you say that he did it.. ..without any reason, you then find that there is something which is not subject to law.. [and] ..if there were a reason for the laws which God gave, then God himself was subject to law.. ..You really have a law outside and anterior to the divine edicts, and God does not serve your purpose, because he is not the ultimate lawgiver.

Ok, so my morality doesn’t come from God, and I have free will. Accepting these still does not preclude an objective morality, since with free will I can act however I choose even though I know my actions may or may not be morally right.

Morality changes over time. As a civil society, our perceptions change with the times as does our morality. Maybe it has always been wrong to kill another person, but there are exceptions to the rule. Today, if you are in a war and following orders, or if you are defending yourself, it’s ok to kill somebody. In the past dueling to the death was acceptable. At one time it was acceptable to stone people to death for adultery. So over time our morality regarding killing has developed. In the future perhaps the acceptable parameters for killing someone will narrow further. The death penalty, for instance, may no longer be acceptable one day.

So if morality changes over time doesn’t that favor a subjective morality? I doubt that people were somehow deficient back then. They probably didn’t have lower IQ on average, nor were they just generally less moral. The difference must have to do with ease of survival, and the type of society they were living in. So it would seem that morality is molded to suit certain conditions. In the beginning our sense of morality must have been geared more toward individual survival; later it would become geared toward societal survival (there are still tribes in the world, maybe some factions in the mid-East that are still at this stage of morality); going forward morality will have to be geared toward global survival.

Other indications of subjective morality, that are yet another step away from the logical approach, can be observed in the actions of other people. I think it’s wrong to kill another person unless it is in self defense, while others think it is ok to kill to advance society’s interests; for example preemptive war (not self defense) or the death penalty.

There are plenty of examples that indicate that morality changes over time and that different people have different views of morality. This leads me to conclude, although not definitively, that morality is subjective.

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7 Comments
  1. luminous beauty permalink
    March 31, 2005 2:46 PM

    A few ideas from out of left field.

    Try thinking of terms like subjective/objective, individual liberty/social responsibility as not mutually exclusive states, but rather inter-acting poles of thought combined in a single equilibrium or maximal seeking state. Like, who’s being objective? Am I more free if I alienate myself from society?

    A thread of reasoning I fell into recently via Peter Kropotkin, via the 1910 Encyclopedia Brittanica, is the proposal of Adam Smith that natural morality is based on the very human emotion of sympathy.
    Kropotkin’s own naturalistic moral view, Mutual Aid, is still compelling in the light of the development of evolutionary psychology, and the mean inadequacy of rational self interest to explain the appeal of altruism. What the Dalai Lama says about the most satisfactory happiness is that produced in creating happiness for others.

  2. April 1, 2005 2:19 AM

    I agree with the approach in your first paragraph, but I still ask how much of this should be dictated by government through force of law. Especially when, as we can see, government and law can easily become perverted.

    There is certainly a contradiction in two ideals of a morality that exists to insure survival and preserve civil society, and personal liberty. It could be said that solidarity is vital in a civil society, but sometimes an individual’s rights trump the interests of society at large. This may not be the best example, but say a school is on fire, and I have a choice: I can save ten kids over here or I can save my own child over there; but I can’t do both. I believe strongly that choosing to save my one child rather than the ten others is an acceptable moral choice. In the trauma of the moment I would revert to a more primitive level of morality based on the survival of my family unit.

    Does the conviction that individual rights sometimes outweigh the interests of one’s civil society mean that it is an acceptable moral decision for an individual, or a community to go “off-grid” and become completely self-sufficient? I suppose that probably it does. However if the individual decides to accept the benefits that society offers, then they probably have some level of moral obligation to contribute to society in the spirit of solidarity. In weighing these options, free people must answer the question you pose, “Am I more free if I alienate myself from society?”

    I don’t know the answer. It depends what kind of a society you live in I suppose. How free can one be in, say, a society corrupted by an unfair and exploitive market system? Of course, the converse of the obligation above (if we accept the benefits we are morally obligated to contribute) holds true: if the society itself, or it’s institutions, are unjust or immoral the individual is culpable and obligated to change it. These obligations seem to underline the importance of individual liberty that will allow us to act appropriately.

    I personally agree with the statement “the most satisfactory happiness is that produced in creating happiness for others,” however I’m not convinced that the desire to do so is an inherent universal trait of human nature, unfortunately. To my mind, this sentiment is more like a compulsion or drive that I, (and I’m sure many people) have, but which may or may not be present in someone who has an overwhelming thirst for power, for instance.

    I don’t know anything about “Mutual Aid” or “evolutionary psychology” but I will read up on them, for sure. If it is true that altruism wins out over self interest in most people, I would be overjoyed; but I would still argue that preserving freedom and individual liberty actually enables people to act on their altruistic instincts in the most meaningful way.

  3. Fehlleistungen permalink
    April 2, 2005 6:51 AM

    MUTUAL AID: “customs that recognized the equality of men and brought them to ally, to unite, to associate for the purpose of producing and consuming, to unite for the purposes of defense, to federate and to recognize no other judges in fighting out their differences than the arbitrators they took from their own midst” (Kropotkin, 1970, p. 139)— allowing us to envision a society based not on competition but on this alternative source of human evolution. This leads me to ask: what’s the relationship between (rational) self interest and the dictum “Don’t harm anybody else?” Does “Don’t harm anyone else” productively undermine “the ‘right of the stronger’ that lies under the bourgeois chicanery of law and order” (Kropotkin, 1984, p. 11)?

    More Kropotkin, for fun: “…science today exists only for a handful of privileged persons, because social inequality which divides society into two classes—the wage-slaves and the grabbers of capital—renders all of its teachings as to the conditions of a rational existence only the bitterest irony to nine-tenths of mankind” (Kropotkin, 1984, p. 7)

  4. April 25, 2005 8:41 PM

    Another helpful post from Philosoraptor.

  5. April 28, 2005 3:54 AM

    A study I found in following Luminous Beauty’s lead into the realm of evolutionary psychology: link

    Kruger, D. J. (2003). Evolution and altruism: Combining psychological mediators with naturally selected tendencies. Evolution and Human Behavior, 24, 118-125.

  6. May 5, 2005 3:58 PM

    I’m beginning to think that the biological approach and the arguments it raises, while interesting, are not essential (and may actually proove to be a hinderance to the reaching of consensus) in a philosophical consideration of morality. That said, here is another interesting article, from the land of cognitive science, about how “mirror neurons” may help us emphathize with others. (For what it’s worth.)

  7. May 6, 2005 12:23 PM

    And, back to the philosophical approach: relativism isn’t in the eye of the beholder

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